Dear jean-seb,<br>If you don't mind, I really need your help for my problems:<br>1. I wonder about how apt-rpm deal with RPM packages dependency list, can you show me some detailed advice on the way how apt-rpm resolve these dependencies ?
<br>2. Have you ever try embedded systems that run on PowerPC (such as: PPC7400 series), and is that system lack of swap memory, how will you find out solutions to deal with ?<br>Hope to see your reply soon.<br>Best regards,
<br>Nguyen Anh Quan.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 15, 2008 12:26 PM, js <<a href="mailto:jsh@interlug-fr.org">jsh@interlug-fr.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">Quan phongvan wrote:<br>> Dear jean-seb,<br></div><div class="Ih2E3d">> If you don't mind, can you help me about these aspects that I have to<br>> consider more about apt as a update-tool.
<br>> 1. About protocols are supported by apt-rpm, I care so much about http<br>> and ftp because they both issue security threats: http using plan text<br>> to pass through their passwords for communication and so easily for
<br>> hacker to do session hijack, in addition ftp passive mode also can be<br>> considered as a security threat too. Can you give me more advices for<br>> that issue?<br><br></div>I hope all your code is GPL :)<br>
for apt, Panu can answer better than I, but yes apt use http or ftp.<br>If you really want to secure the connexions, you can built a openvpn<br>tunnel; all the transfers will be encrypted.<br><br>Second part: the security is based on the gpg signature of the rpm
<br>package; if a bad guy try to corrupt a rpm: apt will not install it (if<br>you use the<br>lua scrip gp-check.lua)<br><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>> 2. I have tried puppet as a update tool for my system beside apt<br>> (puppet is a configuration management tool). If you tried puppet, do
<br>> you think can I use both apt and puppet as an update solution for a<br>> huge rpm embedded Linux network system (apt as a front-end update tool<br>> on client, and puppet-puppetmaster as administration host)?
<br>> Hope to see your reply soon,<br>> Best regards,<br>> Nguyen Anh Quan.<br><br></div>Could be a good idea; the best way for an network/system admin is always<br>to do the less :)<br><div class="Ih2E3d"><br><br>
<br>><br>> On Jan 14, 2008 4:04 PM, js <<a href="mailto:jsh@interlug-fr.org">jsh@interlug-fr.org</a><br></div><div class="Ih2E3d">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jsh@interlug-fr.org">jsh@interlug-fr.org</a>>> wrote:
<br>><br>> Quan phongvan wrote:<br></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">> > Dear jean-seb,<br>> > I'm so surprised at receiving your reply so fast, thank you very<br>> much.<br>
> I'm at work, so I've time :)<br>><br>><br>> > But if you don't mind, may i ask you a favour to help me clear out<br>> > some issues that confused me.<br>> > 1. As you mentioned: "I tested urpmi, apt and yum". While you tested
<br>> > both three update tools: urpmi, smart, apt, what were the most<br>> > important aspects that had impacts on your judgement for<br>> choosing the<br>> > best update tools candidate (in your case is apt-rpm). And comparing
<br>> > to urmpi and yum, what were obstacles that make urpmi and yum<br>> did not<br>> > match with your requirements as a update tool?<br>> urpmi: use perl, ocaml, and C ; a good tool but too big and slow.
<br>> yum: too buggy , slow and need python to run.<br>><br>> It was 3 years ago, before yum begin to be the default update tool in<br>> Fedora.<br>><br>><br>><br>> > 2. As I knew, apt-rpm has LUA as a interpreter embedded language
<br>> that<br>> > provide users a lot of powerful option in apt-* command line,<br>> because<br>> > I'm just beginner in LUA, can you give more instructions and<br>> advices<br>
> > to skilled in LUA as apt-rpm power tool (I easily followed the<br>> > intructios that <a href="http://apt-rpm.org" target="_blank">apt-rpm.org</a> <<a href="http://apt-rpm.org" target="_blank">http://apt-rpm.org
</a>><br></div></div>> <<a href="http://apt-rpm.org" target="_blank">http://apt-rpm.org</a> <<a href="http://apt-rpm.org" target="_blank">http://apt-rpm.org</a>>> provides but I think<br><div><div></div>
<div class="Wj3C7c">> > they not enough for me toseriously use it).<br>><br>> I'm not a power user of Lua too :)<br>> the main cool stuff is the gpg-check lua script than you can find<br>> everywhere
<br>> (it is in this rpm too:<br>> <a href="http://www.gralinux.org/gralinux/AS3/i686/SRPMS/apt-0.5.15cnc7-5gral.src.rpm" target="_blank">http://www.gralinux.org/gralinux/AS3/i686/SRPMS/apt-0.5.15cnc7-5gral.src.rpm
</a><br>> )<br>><br>><br>> > 3. Because my progess is under investigeting phrase and I'm still<br>> > transparent from my target machine's configuration, so I'm sorry<br>> that
<br>> > I doesn't have more specified specs for you. If you don't mind,<br>> I hope<br>> > to receive your help in near future for that issue.<br>> > Hope to see your reply soon.
<br>> > Best regards,<br>> > Nguyen Anh Quan.<br>> ><br>><br>> That's the main problem:<br>> If your embedded system is a big one (Like the model we use at<br>> air-austral); you don't need to tweak a lot the system;
<br>> so after all, you can use yum or whatever you want.<br>><br>> But if your cpu is slow (<100Mhz) and you have limited ram (4 or 8 Mo)<br>> .. I think you will need a specific distro .. and maybe use debian
<br>> instead of Rpm based distro:<br>> so .. apt or nothing :)<br>><br>> Regards<br>><br>><br>> js.<br>><br>><br>><br>> > On Jan 14, 2008 2:20 PM, js <<a href="mailto:jsh@interlug-fr.org">
jsh@interlug-fr.org</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jsh@interlug-fr.org">jsh@interlug-fr.org</a>><br></div></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:jsh@interlug-fr.org">
jsh@interlug-fr.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jsh@interlug-fr.org">jsh@interlug-fr.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Quan phongvan wrote:<br>> > > Dear Jean-seb,<br>> > > It's so kind of you to answer all of my issues with very
<br>> useful<br>> > > informations. I really appreciate it.<br>> > > But I still have some things from your reply, and I hope that<br>> > you can<br>> > > clear them for me, thank you in advance.
<br>> > > 1. You mentioned: "No, it use apt only, personally I hate<br>> yum and<br>> > > don't understand why create an other tool for rpm based<br>> distro, apt<br>
> > > was already here and do the work well; and the best,". I<br>> think that<br>> > > while yum has released its stable version so long time ago,<br>> > apt-rpm is
<br>> > > still under developing (testing version). In addition, yum<br>> has a<br>> > huge<br>> > > developer resource behind, if we consider update tool from<br>> business
<br>> > > point of view, can yum become a update tool candidate?<br>> ><br>> > Linux, the glibc, gcc, KDE are still in development too :)<br>> > apt is very very stable and do the job nicely for years (I
<br>> use the old<br>> > apt from conectiva, before to update to the Lorg version).<br>> > That's not because apt is still in devel than it is not<br>> ready for<br>> > production.
<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > > 2. About yum and python, I was already clear, thank you<br>> for your<br>> > > model, it's so easy for me to understand the problem. If
<br>> you don't<br>> > > mind, have you ever tried smartpm as a update tool on your<br>> embedded<br>> > > system (smartpm similar to yum and apt-rpm, it uses python<br>
> also), if<br>> > > yes do you have any advice for me about smartpm?<br>> ><br>> > smartrpm??? I never test it.<br>> > apt was used by conectiva linux for the whole distro, but
<br>> smartrpm not<br>> > .... and smartrpm was too young 3 years ago.<br>> > Maybe now, you can take time to test it and see if it is the<br>> good<br>> > tool<br>> > for you.
<br>> > To me, an important thing was to have one update tool for<br>> both Debian<br>> > and Rpms distro; so ... apt was used :)<br>> > yum was ... sorry but, a real crap (I tested urpmi, apt and
<br>> yum)<br>> ><br>> > > 3. My target system run on a very tiny Linux clone (mini-ram<br>> > embeeded<br>> > > Linux - RPM system, like VxWorks), it lacks development
<br>> tool such as<br>> > > gcc and XWindow, so will apt-rpm run well on these systems?.<br>> > I think, yes.<br>> > You have some specs??<br>> ><br>> >
<br>> > > Beside, our update tool connect Internet through firewall for<br>> > security<br>> > > purpose to do system-update, so we must consider some<br>> security<br>
> > issues<br>> > > such as: session hijack or disguise of server. Do you have any<br>> > > comments for me with apt-rpm to deal with these problems?<br>> > All the rpms are signed, and don't install if the rpm is not
<br>> > signed with<br>> > the right gpg key :)<br>> > This is in the apt-get lua config (see /etc/apt/apt.conf :<br>> ><br>> > Scripts<br>> > {
<br>> > Init { "gpg-import.lua"; };<br>> > PM<br>> > {<br>> > Pre { "gpg-check.lua"; };<br>> > Post { " upgradevirt.lua
"; };<br>> > };<br>> > AptGet<br>> > {<br>> > Upgrade { "upgradevirt.lua "; };<br>> > DistUpgrade {"upgradevirt.lua"; };
<br>> > Install::SelectPackage { "upgradevirt.lua"; };<br>> > Install::PreResolve { "upgradevirt.lua"; };<br>> > Install::TranslateArg { " upgradevirt.lua
"; };<br>> > };<br>> > Synaptic<br>> > {<br>> > DistUpgrade { "upgradevirt.lua"; };<br>> > }<br>> > }<br>> >
<br>> ><br>> > So, if a bad guy changes one or more rpms, they will not be<br>> installed,<br>> > and the only way to install them will be to deactivate the<br>> >
gpg-check.lua<br>> > script<br>> > or use the command rpm -ivh yourRPM.rpm by hand.<br>> ><br>> > Regards<br>> ><br>> > js.<br>> ><br>> >
<br>> ><br>> > > Thank you very much.<br>> > > Hope to see your reply soon.<br>> > > Best regards,<br>> > > Nguyen Anh Quan.<br>> > >
<br>> > ><br>> > > On Jan 13, 2008 12:09 AM, jean-seb < <a href="mailto:jsh@interlug-fr.org">jsh@interlug-fr.org</a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jsh@interlug-fr.org">jsh@interlug-fr.org
</a>><br>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:jsh@interlug-fr.org">jsh@interlug-fr.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jsh@interlug-fr.org">jsh@interlug-fr.org</a>>><br></div></div><div class="Ih2E3d">> > > <mailto:
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<a href="mailto:jsh@interlug-fr.org">jsh@interlug-fr.org</a>>>>> wrote:<br>> > ><br>> > > Quan phongvan a écrit :<br></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">> > > > Dear Jean-seb,
<br>> > > > It's so nice for me to hear that from you. If you<br>> don't mind,<br>> > > can you<br>> > > > give me more advices for my issues:
<br>> > > > 1. For your mentioned RHEL clone that you used on your<br>> > embedded<br>> > > > system, Does it have yum as RPM packages management<br>> > systems. If yes,
<br>> > > > can apt-rpm beats yum as a update tool?<br>> > ><br>> > > it is use in Debian and Rpm based distro, so when you<br>> swith<br>> > into
<br>> > > Debian<br>> > > and Rpm distro, no problem: apt-get update, apt-get<br>> dist-upgrade<br>> > > ... :)<br>> > ><br>> > >
<br>> > > > 2. As you mentioned "apt is faster than light , and it<br>> > don't need<br>> > > > python; so the memory it use is not a big issue.", I
<br>> think<br>> > > apt-rpm has<br>> > > > a big dependency list (especially when I compiled<br>> apt-rpm from<br>> > > source<br>> > > > code, it required a lot of packages such as: beecrypt,
<br>> > zlib,...).<br>> > > > About python, does it really become the most biggest<br>> obstacle<br>> > > for yum<br>> > > > or even smartpm (an update tool for RPM packages similar
<br>> > to yum and<br>> > > > apt-rpm).<br>> > > Yum use python and a lot of sub-modules (how it query<br>> the rpm<br>> > > database?);
<br>> > > the main problem I see: you need a pre-interpreter to<br>> run yum:<br>> > > So you can resume it by:<br>> > > kernel -> glibc -> python -> pre-compiling -> yum+ extra
<br>> > modules<br>> > ><br>> > > for apt:<br>> > > kernel -> glibc -> libs (stdc++, zlib) -> apt<br>> > ><br>> > > Pre-compiled software runs always faster ( C and C++ are
<br>> > faster than<br>> > > Python).<br>> > ><br>> > > If you have time: you can test this 'theory' with gdb and<br>> > see what
<br>> > > program (yum or apt) use the most of memory :)<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > > 3. In addition, can you give more details why did<br>> you mention
<br>> > > about HP<br>> > > > Server ProLiant in: "it is faster that the same<br>> version in<br>> > Proliant<br>> > > > Servers ! (maybe because /var is in ram?)".
<br>> > ><br>> > > We use one distro (Gralinux AS 3; a RHEL clone with<br>> some tweaks;<br>> > > webmin,<br>> > > openvpn, more iptables modules etc..) on both Embedded
<br>> > systems and<br>> > > Servers: the binaries are strictly the same.<br>> > > we have a lot of HP proliant and when i apply updates,<br>> apt<br>> > is far
<br>> > > faster<br>> > > on embedded devices than on the big Proliant :) : a<br>> > read/write issue i<br>> > > think ;)<br>> > > We all know than hard drive are .. slow :-/ , specially
<br>> > with Raid<br>> > > 5 ...<br>> > ><br>> > > > Hope to receive your advice soon,<br>> > > > Best regards,<br>> > > > Nguyen Anh Quan.
<br>> > ><br>> > > Regards<br>> > ><br>> > > js.<br>> > ><br>> > > Air-Austral flight Company.<br></div></div>
> > > <a href="http://www.air-austral.com" target="_blank">http://www.air-austral.com</a> <<a href="http://www.air-austral.com" target="_blank">http://www.air-austral.com</a>><br><div class="Ih2E3d">
> > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > On Jan 11, 2008 7:13 PM, jean-seb<br>> <<a href="mailto:jsh@interlug-fr.org">jsh@interlug-fr.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jsh@interlug-fr.org">
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<br>> > > > > Dear friends,<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > I've studied apt-rpm as a candidate update<br>> tool for RPM<br>
> > > packages<br>> > > > > management system, because my target device<br>> run on<br>> > > embedded Linux<br>> > > > > (like Vxworks - an RTOS of windriver).
<br>> > > > > If you don't mind, I hope that someone has<br>> tried using<br>> > > apt-rpm on an<br>> > > > > embedded system such as VxWorks and can share
<br>> me his<br>> > > experiences. I<br>> > > > > really appreciate it.<br>> > > > > Thank you for your attention,<br>> > > > > Nguyen Anh Quan.
<br>> > > > > --<br>> > > > > Never walk alone<br>> > > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > I use apt in a RHEL clone for embedded systems
<br>> (openvpn,<br>> > > firewall and<br>> > > > tons of stuffs like snort etc..):<br>> > > > it runs on a Via C3 533Mhz, 512Mo ram (256 for
<br>> the system<br>> > > memory, and<br>> > > > 256 for /var and /tmp in read/write mode);<br>> > > > the rest of the system is on a CF 512mo in read only
<br>> > (ext3 with<br>> > > > some tweaks)<br>> > > ><br>> > > > apt is faster than light , and it don't need python;<br>> > so the
<br>> > > memory it<br>> > > > use is not a big issue.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > it is faster that the same version in Proliant
<br>> Servers<br>> > ! (maybe<br>> > > > because<br>> > > > /var is in ram?)<br>> > > ><br>> > > > A good choice for a "big" embedded system.
<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > Regards.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > js<br>> > > >
<br>> > > > Air-Austral flight Company.<br>> > > > <a href="http://www.air-austral.com" target="_blank">http://www.air-austral.com</a><br>> > > >
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