[Apt-Rpm] Apt-rpm on embedded Linux, is it impossible?

js jsh at interlug-fr.org
Wed Jan 16 00:02:26 PST 2008


Quan phongvan wrote:
> Dear jean-seb,
> If you don't mind, I really need your help for my problems:
> 1. I wonder about how apt-rpm deal with RPM packages dependency list,
> can you show me some detailed advice on the way how apt-rpm resolve
> these dependencies ?

You can see the source code: It do the job (ok, rpm help too).
It's not important to me to know how apt works (which algorithm it
uses); the important thing is to do it quickly and without errors :)


> 2. Have you ever try embedded systems that run on PowerPC (such as:
> PPC7400 series), and is that system lack of swap memory, how will you
> find out solutions to deal with ?

Never only "i686" cpu (via C3 core Nehemiah)
here is the cat /proc/cpuinfo:

[root at tnr-gralinux root]# cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : CentaurHauls
cpu family      : 6
model           : 9
model name      : VIA Nehemiah
stepping        : 8
cpu MHz         : 998.698
cache size      : 64 KB
fdiv_bug        : no
hlt_bug         : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 1
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr cx8 sep mtrr pge cmov pat mmx
fxsr sse
bogomips        : 1992.29

It could be down clocked to save energy.



For the lack of swap memory;
We don't use swap !

An 512 SDram is cut into 2 ramdisks:
256Mb for /tmp and /var
and
256Mb for memory.
no swap.

The rest of the system is in a CF, in readonly.


Regards

js.


> Hope to see your reply soon.
> Best regards,
> Nguyen Anh Quan.
>
> On Jan 15, 2008 12:26 PM, js <jsh at interlug-fr.org
> <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org>> wrote:
>
>     Quan phongvan wrote:
>     > Dear jean-seb,
>     > If you don't mind, can you help me about these aspects that I
>     have to
>     > consider more about apt as a update-tool.
>     > 1. About protocols are supported by apt-rpm, I care so much
>     about http
>     > and ftp because they both issue security threats: http using
>     plan text
>     > to pass through their passwords for communication and so easily for
>     > hacker to do session hijack, in addition ftp passive mode also
>     can be
>     > considered as a security threat too. Can you give me more
>     advices for
>     > that issue?
>
>     I hope all your code is GPL :)
>     for apt, Panu can answer better than I, but yes apt use http or ftp.
>     If you really want to secure the connexions, you can built a openvpn
>     tunnel; all the transfers will be encrypted.
>
>     Second part: the security is based on the gpg signature of the rpm
>     package; if a bad guy try to corrupt a rpm: apt will not install
>     it (if
>     you use the
>     lua scrip gp-check.lua)
>
>     > 2. I have tried puppet as a update tool for my system beside apt
>     > (puppet is a configuration management tool). If you tried
>     puppet, do
>     > you think can I use both apt and puppet as an update solution for a
>     > huge rpm embedded Linux network system (apt as a front-end
>     update tool
>     > on client, and puppet-puppetmaster as administration host)?
>     > Hope to see your reply soon,
>     > Best regards,
>     > Nguyen Anh Quan.
>
>     Could be a good idea; the best way for an network/system admin is
>     always
>     to do the less :)
>
>
>
>     >
>     > On Jan 14, 2008 4:04 PM, js <jsh at interlug-fr.org
>     <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org>
>     > <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Quan phongvan wrote:
>     >     > Dear jean-seb,
>     >     > I'm so surprised at receiving your reply so fast, thank
>     you very
>     >     much.
>     >     I'm at work, so I've time :)
>     >
>     >
>     >     > But if you don't mind, may i ask you a favour to help me
>     clear out
>     >     > some issues that confused me.
>     >     > 1. As you mentioned: "I tested urpmi, apt and yum". While
>     you tested
>     >     > both three update tools: urpmi, smart, apt, what were the most
>     >     > important aspects that had impacts on your judgement for
>     >     choosing the
>     >     > best update tools candidate (in your case is apt-rpm). And
>     comparing
>     >     > to urmpi and yum, what were obstacles that make urpmi and yum
>     >     did not
>     >     > match with your requirements as a update tool?
>     >     urpmi: use perl, ocaml, and C  ; a good tool but too big and
>     slow.
>     >     yum: too buggy , slow and need python to run.
>     >
>     >     It was 3 years ago, before yum begin to be the default
>     update tool in
>     >     Fedora.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     > 2. As I knew, apt-rpm has LUA as a interpreter embedded
>     language
>     >     that
>     >     > provide users a lot of powerful option in apt-* command line,
>     >     because
>     >     > I'm just beginner in LUA, can you give more instructions and
>     >     advices
>     >     > to skilled in LUA as apt-rpm power tool (I easily followed the
>     >     > intructios that apt-rpm.org <http://apt-rpm.org>
>     <http://apt-rpm.org <http://apt-rpm.org>>
>     >     <http://apt-rpm.org <http://apt-rpm.org>> provides but I think
>     >     > they not enough for me toseriously use it).
>     >
>     >     I'm not a power user of Lua too :)
>     >     the main cool stuff is the gpg-check lua script than you can
>     find
>     >     everywhere
>     >     (it is in this rpm too:
>     >    
>     http://www.gralinux.org/gralinux/AS3/i686/SRPMS/apt-0.5.15cnc7-5gral.src.rpm
>     <http://www.gralinux.org/gralinux/AS3/i686/SRPMS/apt-0.5.15cnc7-5gral.src.rpm>
>     >     )
>     >
>     >
>     >     > 3. Because my progess is under investigeting phrase and
>     I'm still
>     >     > transparent from my target machine's configuration, so I'm
>     sorry
>     >     that
>     >     > I doesn't have more specified specs for you. If you don't
>     mind,
>     >     I hope
>     >     > to receive your help in near future for that issue.
>     >     > Hope to see your reply soon.
>     >     > Best regards,
>     >     > Nguyen Anh Quan.
>     >     >
>     >
>     >     That's the main problem:
>     >     If your embedded system is a big one (Like the model we use at
>     >     air-austral); you don't need to tweak a lot the system;
>     >     so after all, you can use yum or whatever you want.
>     >
>     >     But if your cpu is slow (<100Mhz) and you have limited ram
>     (4 or 8 Mo)
>     >     .. I think you will need a specific distro .. and maybe use
>     debian
>     >     instead of Rpm based distro:
>     >     so .. apt or nothing :)
>     >
>     >     Regards
>     >
>     >
>     >     js.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     > On Jan 14, 2008 2:20 PM, js < jsh at interlug-fr.org
>     <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org>
>     >     <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org>>
>     >     > <mailto: jsh at interlug-fr.org <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org>
>     <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org>>>> wrote:
>     >     >
>     >     >     Quan phongvan wrote:
>     >     >     > Dear Jean-seb,
>     >     >     > It's so kind of you to answer all of my issues with
>     very
>     >     useful
>     >     >     > informations. I really appreciate it.
>     >     >     > But I still have some things from your reply, and I
>     hope that
>     >     >     you can
>     >     >     > clear them for me, thank you in advance.
>     >     >     > 1. You mentioned: "No, it use apt only, personally I
>     hate
>     >     yum and
>     >     >     > don't understand why create an other tool for rpm based
>     >     distro, apt
>     >     >     > was already here and do the work well; and the best,". I
>     >     think that
>     >     >     > while yum has released its stable version so long
>     time ago,
>     >     >     apt-rpm is
>     >     >     > still under developing (testing version). In
>     addition, yum
>     >     has a
>     >     >     huge
>     >     >     > developer resource behind, if we consider update
>     tool from
>     >     business
>     >     >     > point of view, can yum become a update tool candidate?
>     >     >
>     >     >     Linux, the glibc, gcc, KDE are still in development too :)
>     >     >     apt is very very stable and do the job nicely for
>     years (I
>     >     use the old
>     >     >     apt from conectiva, before to update to the Lorg version).
>     >     >     That's not because apt is still in devel than it is not
>     >     ready for
>     >     >     production.
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >     > 2. About yum and python, I was already clear, thank you
>     >     for your
>     >     >     > model, it's so easy for me to understand the
>     problem. If
>     >     you don't
>     >     >     > mind, have you ever tried smartpm as a update tool
>     on your
>     >     embedded
>     >     >     > system (smartpm similar to yum and apt-rpm, it uses
>     python
>     >     also), if
>     >     >     > yes do you have any advice for me about smartpm?
>     >     >
>     >     >     smartrpm??? I never test it.
>     >     >     apt was used by conectiva linux for the whole distro, but
>     >     smartrpm not
>     >     >     .... and smartrpm was too young 3 years ago.
>     >     >     Maybe now, you can take time to test it and see if it
>     is the
>     >     good
>     >     >     tool
>     >     >     for you.
>     >     >     To me, an important thing was to have one update tool for
>     >     both Debian
>     >     >     and Rpms distro; so ... apt was used :)
>     >     >     yum was ... sorry but, a real crap (I tested urpmi,
>     apt and
>     >     yum)
>     >     >
>     >     >     > 3. My target system run on a very tiny Linux clone
>     (mini-ram
>     >     >     embeeded
>     >     >     > Linux - RPM system, like VxWorks), it lacks development
>     >     tool such as
>     >     >     > gcc and XWindow, so will apt-rpm run well on these
>     systems?.
>     >     >     I think, yes.
>     >     >     You have some specs??
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >     > Beside, our update tool connect Internet through
>     firewall for
>     >     >     security
>     >     >     > purpose to do system-update, so we must consider some
>     >     security
>     >     >     issues
>     >     >     > such as: session hijack or disguise of server. Do
>     you have any
>     >     >     > comments for me with apt-rpm to deal with these
>     problems?
>     >     >     All the rpms are signed, and don't install if the rpm
>     is not
>     >     >     signed with
>     >     >     the right gpg key :)
>     >     >     This is in the apt-get lua config (see /etc/apt/apt.conf :
>     >     >
>     >     >     Scripts
>     >     >     {
>     >     >      Init { "gpg-import.lua"; };
>     >     >      PM
>     >     >      {
>     >     >        Pre { "gpg-check.lua"; };
>     >     >        Post { " upgradevirt.lua "; };
>     >     >      };
>     >     >      AptGet
>     >     >      {
>     >     >        Upgrade { "upgradevirt.lua "; };
>     >     >        DistUpgrade {"upgradevirt.lua"; };
>     >     >        Install::SelectPackage { "upgradevirt.lua"; };
>     >     >        Install::PreResolve { "upgradevirt.lua"; };
>     >     >        Install::TranslateArg { " upgradevirt.lua "; };
>     >     >      };
>     >     >      Synaptic
>     >     >      {
>     >     >        DistUpgrade { "upgradevirt.lua"; };
>     >     >      }
>     >     >     }
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >     So, if a bad guy changes one or more rpms, they will
>     not be
>     >     installed,
>     >     >     and the only way to install them will be to deactivate the
>     >     >     gpg-check.lua
>     >     >     script
>     >     >     or use the command rpm -ivh yourRPM.rpm by hand.
>     >     >
>     >     >     Regards
>     >     >
>     >     >     js.
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >     > Thank you very much.
>     >     >     > Hope to see your reply soon.
>     >     >     > Best regards,
>     >     >     > Nguyen Anh Quan.
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     > On Jan 13, 2008 12:09 AM, jean-seb <
>     jsh at interlug-fr.org <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org>
>     >     <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org>>
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>     >     >     > <mailto: jsh at interlug-fr.org
>     <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org> <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org
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>     >     <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org>
>     <mailto: jsh at interlug-fr.org <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org>>>>> wrote:
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     Quan phongvan a écrit :
>     >     >     >     > Dear Jean-seb,
>     >     >     >     > It's so nice for me to hear that from you. If you
>     >     don't mind,
>     >     >     >     can you
>     >     >     >     > give me more advices for my issues:
>     >     >     >     > 1. For your mentioned RHEL clone that you used
>     on your
>     >     >     embedded
>     >     >     >     > system, Does it have yum as RPM packages
>     management
>     >     >     systems. If yes,
>     >     >     >     > can apt-rpm beats yum as a update tool?
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     it is use in Debian and Rpm based distro, so
>     when you
>     >     swith
>     >     >     into
>     >     >     >     Debian
>     >     >     >     and Rpm distro, no problem: apt-get update, apt-get
>     >     dist-upgrade
>     >     >     >     ... :)
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     > 2. As you mentioned "apt is faster than light
>     , and it
>     >     >     don't need
>     >     >     >     > python; so the memory it use is not a big
>     issue.", I
>     >     think
>     >     >     >     apt-rpm has
>     >     >     >     > a big dependency list (especially when I compiled
>     >     apt-rpm from
>     >     >     >     source
>     >     >     >     > code, it required a lot of packages such as:
>     beecrypt,
>     >     >     zlib,...).
>     >     >     >     > About python, does it really become the most
>     biggest
>     >     obstacle
>     >     >     >     for yum
>     >     >     >     > or even smartpm (an update tool for RPM
>     packages similar
>     >     >     to yum and
>     >     >     >     > apt-rpm).
>     >     >     >     Yum use python and a lot of sub-modules (how it
>     query
>     >     the rpm
>     >     >     >     database?);
>     >     >     >     the main problem I see: you need a
>     pre-interpreter to
>     >     run yum:
>     >     >     >     So you can resume it by:
>     >     >     >     kernel -> glibc -> python -> pre-compiling ->
>     yum+ extra
>     >     >     modules
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     for apt:
>     >     >     >     kernel -> glibc -> libs (stdc++, zlib) -> apt
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     Pre-compiled software runs always faster ( C and
>     C++ are
>     >     >     faster than
>     >     >     >     Python).
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     If you have time: you can test this 'theory'
>     with gdb and
>     >     >     see what
>     >     >     >     program (yum or apt) use the most of memory :)
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     > 3. In addition, can you give more details why did
>     >     you mention
>     >     >     >     about HP
>     >     >     >     > Server ProLiant in: "it is faster that the same
>     >     version in
>     >     >     Proliant
>     >     >     >     > Servers ! (maybe because /var is in ram?)".
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     We use one distro (Gralinux AS 3; a RHEL clone with
>     >     some tweaks;
>     >     >     >     webmin,
>     >     >     >     openvpn, more iptables modules etc..) on both
>     Embedded
>     >     >     systems and
>     >     >     >     Servers: the binaries are strictly the same.
>     >     >     >     we have a lot of HP proliant and when i apply
>     updates,
>     >     apt
>     >     >     is far
>     >     >     >     faster
>     >     >     >     on embedded devices than on the big Proliant :) : a
>     >     >     read/write issue i
>     >     >     >     think ;)
>     >     >     >     We all know than hard drive are ..  slow :-/ ,
>     specially
>     >     >     with Raid
>     >     >     >     5 ...
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     > Hope to receive your advice soon,
>     >     >     >     > Best regards,
>     >     >     >     > Nguyen Anh Quan.
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     Regards
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     js.
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     Air-Austral flight Company.
>     >     >     >     http://www.air-austral.com
>     <http://www.air-austral.com>
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     > On Jan 11, 2008 7:13 PM, jean-seb
>     >     <jsh at interlug-fr.org <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org> <mailto:
>     jsh at interlug-fr.org <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org>>
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>     <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org <mailto:jsh at interlug-fr.org>>>>> > wrote:
>     >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     >     Quan phongvan a écrit :
>     >     >     >     >     > Dear friends,
>     >     >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     >     > I've studied apt-rpm as a candidate update
>     >     tool for RPM
>     >     >     >     packages
>     >     >     >     >     > management system, because my target device
>     >     run on
>     >     >     >     embedded Linux
>     >     >     >     >     > (like Vxworks - an RTOS of windriver).
>     >     >     >     >     > If you don't mind, I hope that someone has
>     >     tried using
>     >     >     >     apt-rpm on an
>     >     >     >     >     > embedded system such as VxWorks and can
>     share
>     >     me his
>     >     >     >     experiences. I
>     >     >     >     >     > really appreciate it.
>     >     >     >     >     > Thank you for your attention,
>     >     >     >     >     > Nguyen Anh Quan.
>     >     >     >     >     > --
>     >     >     >     >     > Never walk alone
>     >     >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     >     I use apt in a RHEL clone for embedded
>     systems
>     >     (openvpn,
>     >     >     >     firewall and
>     >     >     >     >     tons of stuffs like snort etc..):
>     >     >     >     >     it runs on a Via C3 533Mhz, 512Mo ram (256
>     for
>     >     the system
>     >     >     >     memory, and
>     >     >     >     >     256 for /var and /tmp in read/write mode);
>     >     >     >     >     the rest of the system is on a CF 512mo in
>     read only
>     >     >     (ext3 with
>     >     >     >     >     some tweaks)
>     >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     >     apt is faster than light , and it don't
>     need python;
>     >     >     so the
>     >     >     >     memory it
>     >     >     >     >     use is not a big issue.
>     >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     >     it is faster that the same version in
>     Proliant
>     >     Servers
>     >     >     ! (maybe
>     >     >     >     >     because
>     >     >     >     >     /var is in ram?)
>     >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     >     A good choice for a "big" embedded system.
>     >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     >     Regards.
>     >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     >     js
>     >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     >     Air-Austral flight Company.
>     >     >     >     >     http://www.air-austral.com
>     >     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     >
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